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    QUESTIONS

    • Meeting of The Council, Thursday, 3rd March, 2022 1.00 pm (Item 6.)

    To consider any questions the appropriate notice for which have been given under Section 4.19 of the Constitution.

     

    Minutes:

     

    (The Cabinet Members' written responses to the questions had been distributed to the members in advance).

     

    (1) A question from Councillor Aeron Maldwyn Jones

     

    “When does this Council anticipate that staff will be back at their desks?"

     

    Response from the Cabinet Member for Corporate Support, Councillor Nia Jeffreys

     

    "Thank you to all Council staff for their work during the crisis.  The question asks when will staff be back at their desks.  Of course, all Council staff have continued to work for the benefit of the people of Gwynedd, despite the fact that the desk may sometimes be located in an attic or at the kitchen table.   The way the staff have adapted at short-notice has been incredible, and I am very grateful to them.  A lot of work has gone into this, and I have had the opportunity to report to the Cabinet, and a report has gone to the Audit and Governance Committee, but I am glad to have the opportunity today to repeat this to the Full Council. 

     

    Considerable talk and attention has been given to "the working world of the future" at an all Wales level over the past year, with Welsh Government declaring an aim of enabling 30% of the country's workforce to be able to work close to, or from their homes.

     

    Gwynedd Council is no different from any other organisation in its planning in this regard.  An "Offices Group" has been established since early 2021, which coordinates the preparation work in the local area, with the Chief Executive, the Director, the Head of Corporate Support and human resources officers, health and safety officers, information technology officers and property officers all serving on that Group.

     

    The vision for future working within the Council has been approved by the Cabinet in February and the Audit and Governance Committee had scrutinised the content prior to that.  That vision is the output of the efforts of the Offices Group, but it is also based on a consultation with various cohorts of Council staff, as well as local trade union representatives.

     

    The aim of the vision is that the Council provides the best possible service for the people of Gwynedd, whilst also showing the Council to be a good place to work, and thus attract and retain quality staff.

     

    With the most recent statements from Welsh Government, and the likelihood of the further easing of restrictions in the near future, the time to implement the vision is getting ever closer and the Chief Executive has shared an outline of an action plan with staff, which is a plan that is looking to be implemented gradually, in three phases, over the coming weeks and months, namely:-

     

    ·               To allow all those employees who must, or wish to work from their work centres all the time, to do so from 7 March,

    ·               To confirm the arrangements for those employees who will mainly work from home, with a view to complete this step before the Easter holidays.

    ·               To reach a final agreement with every individual who has noted a wish to work partly from home and partly from the office, on the work arrangements for both locations.  This phase is likely to be introduced over a period of time, formally commencing after Easter this year."

     

    (2) A question from Councillor Kevin Morris Jones

     

    "Re: Dolbadarn Hotel, Llanberis

     

    I would like to know what the Council's intentions are for dealing with the problems that exist with the change of use of this building.  The former popular hotel is now in the ownership of a businessman from Birmingham (he also has a similar site in Pwllheli).  The hotel is being used for homeless people.  Although the residents of Llanberis are happy to help each other and the people from the surrounding area, it is obvious that this site - Dolbadarn - is being used to house people who have a vast number of problems in their lives and this creates more problems in the village of Llanberis.  Unfortunately, incidents of anti-social behaviour occur within and outside the hotel, which has meant that police and ambulance service presence have been required there often.

     

    I and the residents of the area understand that we need such sites in society, but this site is too big in the centre of a small village like Llanberis.  The site is creating more problems and has a negative impact on a village that relies on tourism almost throughout the year.

     

    I have contacted Council officers on this matter in the past but I have not received a clear response or a response that is acceptable to the people of Llanberis."

     

    Response from the Cabinet Member for Housing, Councillor Craig ab Iago

     

    "We are all aware of the housing crisis we are currently facing, and homelessness is a very major aspect of this problem.  There are fewer houses available to us to act quickly to house everyone.  Pre-Covid, we as a Department had introduced a Homelessness Plan, which is a part of our Housing Action Plan, and in that respect, we were going to be dealing with the situation as it was at the time, and make sure that the plan had followed the procedure, or principle, of housing our people in our communities.  What was happening with homelessness at the time was ad hoc, and in my opinion, was unsuitable, and without sufficient support, but this is what the Homelessness Plan itself did - it brought an order to everything, and made sure that there was plenty of safety and support, and it ensured that we support those people.

     

    Unfortunately, Covid kicked in, and this has made the situation even worse, much worse than it was.  Currently, we are talking about over 700 people who have been registered homeless in the county, and many more who have not registered because they are too proud to do so.   Of those people, 270 people were in bed and breakfast and hotels, such as the one in Llanberis, which is far from ideal, for us or the residents or the homeless people themselves, but as a Council, I am of the opinion that we have a broader duty to look after them, both legally and morally.  But, what matters to us is that we make sure, wherever we house people, that the situation is safe, and that the lives of the residents of the area does not deteriorate because of the presence of those people.

     

    Consequently, I was shocked from seeing this question.  We challenge performance in this field every month, so I would have expected to hear about this before now.   Therefore, I asked the Department to look into this, and make sure that we have not missed anything.  I wish to state this clearly, in case any residents are watching, and I wish to make sure that the members understand the situation in this hotel.  In March, we began using the hotel to house homeless people.  We are not talking here about the sex offenders that people are referring to, or about paedophiles that people are referring to, or about prison leavers.   We are not talking about those people at all.  We are talking about people we know- people who have possibly lost their jobs or their houses, and who need help, or who have separated from their partner.

     

    In June last year, we heard from the members that issues were arising, and that the community was not happy with what was happening there.  Therefore, the Department took immediate action to ensure that 2 security guards were present at the hotel between 5pm and 6am every day, and this has been happening since June in order to ensure that no issues arise.   People can inform the Department if any problems arise, and we have not experienced any problems since then.  The Police have been there once and the Ambulance Service have been there twice.  In the two cases when an ambulance had to be called, residents had been injured or had to be taken to hospital.  This had nothing at all to do with their behaviour.  Also, the Police had to go there on one occasion as there were protesters outside the building and were causing trouble and talking about sex offenders, but of course, there were no sex offenders in the location.   Intensive support is provided to the people who are there.  We are talking about a 35-bedroom hotel, and at present, we are using 15 of those rooms.  Seven of the residents are women, there are no sex offenders or prison leavers, and no paedophiles.

     

    There is another element here - do we communicate well enough with the community, with the member?  Something that is raised very often these days, in the Covid-era, is that Council officers do not respond quickly enough to the members.  It is imperative that they do so because we act as the bridge between the community and the Council, and we need to know that the arrangements are good enough to ease any issues that could arise.  I have asked the Department to look into the communication with the member, and it seems to me that we have responded immediately.  We respond to the problems in writing, and if any problems do arise, we respond.  Most of the responses I have seen on black and white from the member are ones thanking the officers very much for their quick response, and so I am happy with what the Council is doing to help our people and to manage the situations.   I am happy with what the Department is doing in terms of communication with members, is good enough.

     

    Of course, what matters is - we are talking about a problem that really frightens me, and it completely immoral that this is happening in Wales in the twenty-first century.  It is not the Council that is causing homelessness.  All we do is try to manage the situation, and it is a situation that gets worse by the day.  If we want to point a finger at anyone, we should point a finger at the people in Westminster who punish us for not being rich.  They say that there is no magic money tree to help our people, but of course, the magic money tree does exist when it comes to giving grants to their mates who went to the same schools as they did.  They recently wrote off £9bn as 'fraud' on their mates' part, and it is important to remember where the problem derives from, and it does not derive from the Council.  I want you all to feel like I am feeling.  We have stood to be members because we wish to look after and protect our people - not because of the money.  We do the work because of our wish to help our people, and I want to make sure that you feel like the Housing Department and Homelessness Unit feel, because we are here to look after our people.  If the member has any further problems, and feels unhappy about the way the Department is dealing with anything, I ask him to contact me directly."

     

    Supplementary Question from Councillor Kevin Morris Jones

     

    "Has Gwynedd Council been placing former-prisoners in this hotel temporarily?"

     

    Response from the Cabinet Member for Housing, Councillor Craig ab Iago

     

    "No, and neither has it placed any paedophiles or sex offender there, and we do not place people who can be dangerous in the middle of communities.  We are talking here about our people, the people of Gwynedd, people who just happen to have hit a difficult time in their lives, and need support.  That is why we are here, to help the people of Gwynedd to live in their communities."

     

    (3) A question from Councillor Annwen Hughes

     

    "Could the Leader give us an update on the Llanbedr Bypass scheme?"

     

    Response from the Leader, Councillor Dyfrig Siencyn

     

    "As you all know, this is a matter that is very close to the heart of the member, but it is also very close to my heart.  You will recall that the substantial road scheme in the Llanbedr area was overturned by Welsh Government in November last year, as a result of an independent roads review, which suggested that there were many environmental and economic weaknesses in the plan.
      There were two elements to the road scheme:-

     

    ·               A bypass for the village of Llanbedr, which is very narrow, with a very narrow bridge in the village, and which suffers very substantial congestion on a regular basis.

    ·               Improving the access to the Snowdonia Aerospace Centre site, which is essential to realise the full potential of the site, and to create quality jobs in the innovative space and aeroplane field.

     

    Gwynedd Council has strongly opposed the decision made by the roads review panel, and has detailed a long-list of shortcomings in their final report.  Letters have been sent to ministers, including the First Minister, and meetings were held with Welsh Government officers in the field of transportation and the economy, and I also attended two public meetings in the village of Llanbedr.  Unfortunately, we are now in a position where, although Welsh Government cannot explain the shortcomings in the work of the review panel, they are also not prepared to revisit the work.  Welsh Government's decision not to support the bypass scheme is likely to stand, and this is saddening and a true injustice for the people of Llanbedr.

     

    We must bear in mind that the scheme continues to have planning permission, but that Welsh Government's decision not to provide financial support has led to the loss of all surplus funding that was required to implement the scheme, including £7.5m in European funding, and these monies are completely lost to the whole of Wales - they have just gone.  This is because of the withdrawal from previous vows made regarding transportation funding and economic funding (due to the Enterprise Zone status of the Aerospace Centre).

     

    In moving forward, we will collaborate with Welsh Government to look at how the access to the Airport can be improved, and they are very eager to do so. The Site is essential in the Space Strategy that has just been published by Welsh Government.  Therefore, it is obvious that they continue to support the development of the Site, and improving the access is at the core of the successful implementation of a number of the recommendations in the report.  As a part of the work of re-considering improving the access road, we intend to ensure that all types of transport are considered, so that it is possible to improve walking and cycling links for the future."

     

    Supplementary Question by Councillor Annwen Hughes

     

    "Following the news that there is a new plan to launch the space sector, will other plans be put into practice to improve the access to Llanbedr airport?"

     

    Response by the Leader, Councillor Dyfrig Siencyn

     

    "It is encouraging that the Minister for the Economy, Vaughan Gething, has published his Space Strategy, which places major emphasis on the possibilities in Llanbedr, and those possibilities are very important to us, not just in Llanbedr itself, but in Meirionnydd and beyond.  There are opportunities for high quality jobs here.  It is strange, because one minister has refused the plan.  The Independent Panel, by the way, has alleged that this site and this type of development is unsuitable for rural areas, and I have drawn attention on numerous occasions to the threat to economic developments in rural area, where we genuinely need these jobs.  This does give me some solace, and gives me a glimmer of hope to be honest.  The Government's left hand is refusing; and the right hand wants to do something, and I, very soon, will be arranging a meeting with the Minister for the Economy and his team, most probably, to discuss how he intends to proceed with his plans without any sort of road scheme.  Meanwhile, our officers are collaborating with officers from Transport for Wales and Welsh Government to proceed with the necessary studies to see whether any type of different solution to the road is available here.  You and I all know this area very well, and we know that there is no other option apart from this scheme.  But there we are - unfortunately we must press on and collaborate and see where we will reach.  But I will be holding further discussions with the ministers in the meantime.   It is also disappointing that they have not been able to answer our questions, which were specific questions, but we have met with officers, and unfortunately, we have only heard civil service speak - answers that are not really answers."

     

    (4) A question from Councillor Sion Jones

     

    “Welsh Government gave Gwynedd Council £550,000 last year to develop a cycle route from Bethel to Caernarfon.  Section 1 of this route from Bethel to Tyddyn Hen was completed recently, with thanks to the Transport Department for ensuring work of a high standard.  Welsh Government has awarded a further sum of £200,000 to plan and develop ‘Section 2’ of the route, from Tyddyn Hen, Bethel to Caernarfon.  Can the Cabinet Member assure me that the Transport Department will prioritise the completion of this scheme within the next year?”

     

    Response from the Cabinet Member for the Environment, Councillor Gareth Griffith

     

    "The Department has prepared a comprehensive answer to the question.  It has slipped somewhat as the member is aware, and I also know that the member has been in contact with the Department.  There are processes to follow with land purchases, etc., which take time  This has slipped somewhat, but the answer today also refers to other schemes that the Department has for similar paths across the county.  Although it has slipped somewhat, we hope that it will be completed within the period that the member refers to."

     

    Supplementary Question from Councillor Sion Jones

     

    "Is there a specific officer who deals with active travel in Gwynedd?"

     

    Response from the Cabinet Member for the Environment, Councillor Gareth Griffith

     

    "This falls within different departments, not just within Environment.  It is a good point, and something that arises often.  There may be a demand for something of this sort, and I will raise this with the Department."

     

    (5) A question from Councillor Judith Humphreys

     

    "As a part of this Council's work and efforts to ensure equality between women and men and the commitment to work towards tackling violence against women, would the Council consider taking steps towards gaining the White Ribbon accreditation? This would be a clear statement of the Council's commitment."

     

    Response from the Cabinet Member for Corporate Support, Councillor Nia Jeffreys

     

    "Thank you to the member for her work in promoting the "White Ribbon" scheme and for everything she does to promote women's rights at every opportunity.  The "White Ribbon" is a charitable organisation that attempts to bring an end to the violence of men against women.  Its aim is for every man to achieve the White Ribbon pledge, which is to never be violent against women and to not excuse or keep silent about violence against women.

     

    The charity attempts to be a catalyst, by encouraging people, specifically boys and men, to change their behaviour where needed, with an emphasis on taking proactive steps and promoting equality and respect.

     

    Every organisation in Britain can be accredited by the "White Ribbon". According to the charity, securing the accreditation helps an organisation to:-

     

    ·               Make a difference in your communities in order to bring an end to violence against women;

    ·               Increase staff knowledge and skills to address violence against women;

    ·               Be an employer of choice

     

    It is important to note that a lot of good work is already achieved within the Council in this context, with the terms of employment for staff including a domestic violence policy (which notes the support that is available in such situations), whilst officers in the Community Safety Partnership within the Adults, Health and Well-being Department are doing a lot to raise awareness and bring attention to the issue.

     

    Officers from the Human Resources Service have already been in contact with the charity to express an interest in submitting an application for accreditation, as a part of the work identified as a corporate priority in the Council Plan, which is "Ensuring Fairness for All".

     

    The intention is to submit a formal application for accreditation during the next weeks and if approved, to work with the charity to establish a work plan based on four specific criteria, namely;

     

    ·               Strategic Direction

    ·               Working with men and boys

    ·               Change of culture

    ·               Raising Awareness

     

    Securing accreditation initially and then establishing a specific work plan, in collaboration with the charity, will show clearly and strongly our commitment as a Council to make a difference in our efforts to bring an end to violence against women."

     

    (6) A question from Councillor Angela Russell

     

    "Recently, the Report of the Royal College of Surgeons was published into the VASCULAR services of Betsi Cadwaladr Health Board.

     

    The vascular service was lost from Ysbyty Gwynedd in 2019 and the entire service was moved to Ysbyty Glan Clwyd.  A service that was globally renowned for its success was lost from Ysbyty Gwynedd, and also lost was a well-known, successful and popular surgeon, Professor Dean Williams.

     

    The Royal College's Report provides a frightening account of the quality of the new service at Glan Clwyd - it reports a high number of deaths (the highest in Britain in many fields), and stories of unnecessary amputations. When reading the Royal College's report, it sounds like a third world service, not a service in one of the wealthiest countries in the world.

     

    Between 2019, when the service was centralised in Glan Clwyd, and 2021, I wrote a series of letters, as the Leader of the Independent Group in Gwynedd, to the Chair and Chief Executive of the Health Board, to express concern.  I also contacted the Coroner and Public Health Wales on more than one occasion, and I wrote numerous letters to the Daily Post to draw attention to the matter.

     

    It has taken over THREE YEARS for the Health Board to acknowledge that there are huge shortcomings in the service and that patients have suffered unnecessarily. The service is now so horrendous, Liverpool Hospital will now supervise the work of the surgeons.

     

    Almost £3m was invested in a new vascular theatre at Glan Clwyd and it was announced that we in North Wales had a "state of the art theatre".

     

    The truth about it is that shiny, new toys do not always mean that the service will be better.  PEOPLE make a good service, people like Professor Dean Williams, who had the experience, the skills and expertise with patients.  A huge loss is felt after his departure.

     

    Does the Council agree that we should all work together ACROSS THE POLITICAL PARTIES in this County Council to support and secure local services in Ysbyty Gwynedd?"

     

    Response from the Cabinet Member for Adults, Health and Well-being, Councillor Dafydd Meurig:

     

    "Of course, I agree 100% with the member.  The decision made by Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board back in 2017, I believe, is unpardonable.  The report we have received about the service at Ysbyty Glan Clwyd is damning to say the least, and I am certainly very prepared to continue working across political boundaries with the member, and others, to get this sorted.  Many people have been working diligently over the years to attempt to draw attention to this, and I most definitely agree with the member, and I am prepared to collaborate."

     

    (7) A Question from Councillor John Brynmor Hughes

     

    "Does the Leader of Plaid Cymru agree with a councillor who represents a rural area that all farmers do is reap the rewards of public money throughout their lives?".

     

    Response by the Leader, Councillor Dyfrig Siencyn

     

    "One correction to the question before I begin, to avoid any misconception - I am not the Leader of Plaid Cymru - I am the Leader of Gwynedd Council, and I am proud of that.  This question lies very close to my heart and the answer is simple.  I could have answered it in one word - No.  I do not agree with the statement and it is unfounded.  I seriously believe that the suggestion made is offensive to a sector that is currently under threat across the whole of Wales.  I know this from personal experience, having worked in the agricultural field throughout my life.  Farmers make a key contribution to the protection and maintenance of our environment, economy, culture and language of our communities. This contribution is invaluable; and justifies the value of public investment.  But the changes facing the sector and the rural economy are significant and we must be alert to the risks that can transform the fabric of our rural communities. The UK Government does not provide all the money due to fund the direct payments to farmers or the rural development plans following Brexit. There is a shortfall of £137 million in the current financial year from what the UK Government sends to the Welsh Government to support agriculture and rural development. This creates concern as it does not appear that the Welsh Government's new Rural Development Plan for the future will fund the type of activity to support the local economy seen under the Rural Development Plan for Wales within the EU and will focus from now on, on supporting environmental schemes.  There is also concern that the new scheme being developed by the Welsh Government – The Sustainable Farming Scheme – which replaces the Basic Payment Scheme from 2024/25 onwards, will focus too much on supporting farmers to be involved in environmental schemes and plant trees rather than produce food.  We may see a situation under this policy where it will not be viable for farmers to continue to farm and our farms will be bought, as already witnessed, by organisations from outside Wales as an investment and the impact on our rural communities could be very far-reaching.  It is key that our future policies enable us to respond to the threat positively."

     

    (8) A question from Councillor Elwyn Jones

     

         (The question was asked by the Chair in the absence of Councillor Elwyn Jones)

     

    "Over the years, many have campaigned, particularly in the south of the County, to do away with the transport charge for Pupils/Students over 16 years old to attend School or College.    £260k has been allocated in the 2022-23 budget for this.  At the beginning of 2021 adverts were posted by Gwynedd for bids for the Arfon schools school bus contracts DEMANDING the requirement for eligible PSVA (Public Service Vehicle Access Regulation) buses.

     

    One of the reasons for this was that in Arfon Year 12 and 13 pupils pay for School transport - i.e. paying passengers on a bus service. 

     

    Due to the lack of such buses the Department of Transport in London delayed the act two or three times - and this is how matters currently stand.

     

    However, the Transport Department in Gwynedd demanded this (and I know that a local company have had significant expenditure to change 5 buses).    Due to the significant expenditure of course there was an increase in contract costs = higher costs for Gwynedd.   Therefore for 5 years, Gwynedd sought to justify this by saying that this was a requirement for the disabled.

     

    I agree a 100% of course that we have to have equality, but how many of these pupils wanted to travel on a school bus, while a taxi or family arrangement existed.

     

    May I therefore ask what was the increase in the cost of the Arfon school buses contracts as a result of demanding that the buses conform to PSVAR regulations compared to the former contracts?" 

     

    Response from the Cabinet Member for the Environment, Councillor Gareth Griffith

     

    "The member has contacted the Department about this prior to today, and has received a response.  I have spoken to one of his electors who has been affected by this.  The situation as it stands is that the Westminster Government introduced a set of rules, which includes the type of buses we must have in Britain, and subsequently, this Authority has had to ask companies to tender, and for those companies to have the appropriate buses.  I know that this has been expensive to local companies, but we have no choice in the matter.  The Westminster Government has postponed the decision to start implementing the rules on many occasions, although I know understand that this will now commence in June.  I understand the member's concerns, and I have spoken to at least two local companies about the difficulties they have experienced, but the root of this matter has lied in the Westminster Government from the beginning."

     

    (9) A question from Councillor Gwynfor Owen

     

    "Speeding is a concern to many communities, and my Ward, Harlech and Talsarnau, suffers gravely from this problem.  The Council has conducted a survey of the situation in Harlech and in Talsarnau.  They acknowledge that a problem exists and that something needs to be done about the problem, yet nothing has been done.  Therefore, I ask what the Council intends to do about this problem in communities where the Council's surveys themselves prove that a problem does exist?"

     

    Response from the Cabinet Member for the Environment, Councillor Gareth Griffith

     

    "The Department has sent a written response, and as this notes, the Department is seeking to work with partners to deal with such problems, and is in the progress of rolling out, over the coming year, rules that Welsh Government will enforce on us with the county's roads, where the speed limit will be 20mph.  Considerable work is being done on this, and this is how things currently stand."

     

    A supplementary question by Councillor Gwynfor Owen

     

    "After a lot of whining, I got an officer to agree to visit the sites in September, and gauges were installed and the results were released in October.  Again, at a meeting with the officer last month, I was told that the Council was considering consulting with the community around June.  I am certain that the Cabinet Member would agree with me that a delay like this is unacceptable, but what can the Department do to speed up the process?"

     

    Response from the Cabinet Member for the Environment, Councillor Gareth Griffith

     

    "In terms of speeding up the process, that is very difficult. I apologise that you have had to wait so much time. I am sure that the other councillors will recall that Dafydd Wyn Williams, Head of Department, wrote to us all recently to explain the problems experienced by the Department, and that he seeking to resolve various things - staffing problems, problems with staff changes, long-term sickness - it has all affected the Department, and other departments of the Authority.  The pandemic is still with us, and the departments are still trying to deal with that, but Dafydd Wyn Williams wrote to everyone to apologise and to ask people to be patient, and as I say, I am sure that we all, as Councillors, have the same type of question about speeding in our wards.  The honest answer is that the Department is trying to deal with everyone, and is struggling to deal with everything.  I apologise for that, but the Department will continue to try and work with everyone, and with the councillors."